Thread:Undella/@comment-44990672-20200509192909/@comment-25519236-20200510100845

No, I understand your reasoning very well, thank you for your input! I do agree with everything you have said, Hina and Hodaka are very much in love with each other, the entire film displayed that they would do anything for one another. I know that romantic love doesn't have to be physical, I actually enjoy the emotional/pshycological aspects of a relationship more than the physical, so don't worry about that.

At the same time, the messages Shinkai wanted to display is that the future for Hina and Hodaka are looking brighter, even after everything they went through. The movie ends on a positive note, with Hodaka telling Hina that everything will be alright. I understand that it means they will become a couple soon, but just because they are "eligble" to start dating doesn't mean they automatically have begun dating at the story's conslusion. Anything can happen, either Hina and Hodaka will start dating immediately, or they will get together in time since they didn't see or talk to each other for 3 years. Either way, since all of this will happen OUTSIDE of canon and off-screen, we cannot put the information in the wiki that they are lovers. I actually wanted to put them as girlfriend & boyfriend here as well, but this is a non-partial wiki where we are supposed to be as unbiased as possible. So even if Shinkai wants us to think something, this wiki runs on CANON sources and facts, and not assumptions and speculation for the future. So yes, we are dependant on official sources like what Shinkai states himself. This is simply the way a wiki works. I know this well since I've been around the wiki community for about 6 years and had trustworthy people with much more experience than me telling me that speculation = canon is not okay.

You mentioned before that you have to pick up clues and all that to come to a conclusion, right? This is where people can have many different views on the ending. People may see this is an ending where Hina and Hodaka will begin dating (which is completely valid and nice), but I view it as an ending where Hina and Hodaka know they love each other, and although they are unsure about the future and maybe how their relationship will play out in the future, they know "everything will be alright". Since we all have different views on the ending, putting the scenario where Hina and Hodaka are dating when it's not even shown, is not really proffessional. At least according to this logic. Also, the only canon thing we got out from the TnK ending is that no matter what happens to Hina and Hodaka in the future, they would be alright and get through it together.

I do understand your frustration at this, but please understand that I'm not doing this to be petty or because I don't understand Hina and Hodaka's love. I do, and I love them lots. But we can't make assumptions, especially if they happen off-screen. As so, I am asking you and other people to refrain from putting them as girlfriend and boyfriend. Even if they aren't listed as lovers here, we'll be fine with the knowledge that they will become in the future. Myself included.

Anyway, thank you for reading and maybe understanding a little where I'm coming from. Also, sorry for the long 'essay' haha. :)